Open letter to those who think "cooler raiding" is acceptable, or funny, or anything other than STEALING

topic posted Wed, June 24, 2009 - 6:01 PM by  mr e
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I know I'm cross-posting all over the place, but I’m angry and disappointed with my/our friends and I want your support so these individuals can examine and hopefully correct their behavior and thinking.

You are thieves of the worst kind. You are stealing from your friends, whom you often refer to as family, or at the very least your community. It is not cool, not acceptable, and I will expose you publicly to the wrath of the community if I catch you or hear you talking about it again. Furthermore, if any of my friend’s coolers get raided in the future, I will lead them to you, so you better not have anyone else's stuff in your possession.

I had conversations with two different individuals whom I know and previously respected. I have lost respect for both of you. You know who you are. I was shocked at how casually you mentioned that you were going to go and steal from my/our friends. One of you said that buying a ticket and bringing some stuff and setting up a camp and providing a space entitles you to do “whatever the fuck I want”. Are you fucking KIDDING me? Paying for a ticket to an event and bringing some beer and setting up a camp does NOT entitle you to do whatever the fuck you want. I was totally disgusted and deeply offended that you thought I'd condone such behavior. I debated exposing you publicly at Elysium, and again in this post, but decided I'd give you the benefit of the doubt now that you're sober and can consider the principle of Respect. You guys aren’t new either. You should know better. Respect is a cornerstone of our community, without it we’re no better than a bunch of frat boys on Spring Break.

I don't know how or why you would get the idea that cooler raiding is fun or cool or acceptable, but I'm fairly certain that I speak for the vast majority of this community (Back me up, here, peeps!) when I say you need to get your heads on straight. There’s no excuse, there’s no explanation, you’re just wrong. Respect your family; respect your friends; respect your community. Please.

Thus endeth the rant. You guys are my friends and we've all done stupid things. I’m going to let it go and assume that this post will be enough for you to examine your behavior, please don’t make an ass of you or me.
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mr e
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  • no you have a very valid point, cooler raiding is not cool and should not happen esp. since most of the time if you meet some one, talk with them, hang out with them chances are they will offer you a drink, snack or whatever. why others cant or do not see/grasp this concept i dont know. i mean i had so many people (even ones that i did not know before this weekend) offer me all sorts of stuff so that i did not have to resort to cooler raiding.

    Personally i usually end up giving away half if not more of the stuff that i show up with, but the great thing is it always comes back to me in the form of an offering from another camp. why others cant or dont see/grasp this concept i dont know.
    • i have to agree that cooler raiding is definitely stealing, how hard is it to ask somebody for something? What's the worse they will say? No? I second the comment here that people usually just give you stuff if you are A) nice and an outgoing person, B) have something to trade, or C) happen to come across one of the people that likes to bring extra to SHARE!

      These 2 people must have problems making friends, or their friends deny them frosty beverages and treats because they are so tired of them abusing the generosity and not returning the favor by providing an occasional 6-pack when chillin outside of the event scene.

      public outcasting shouldn't be necessary. if the offenders you're talking about have any respect for themselves, they will change their behavior. If not, then mark them as the Cooler Pirates.
      • sa
        sa
        offline 48
        Always be sure you have all your facts together before accusing somebody of something. For example, when someone knows you're taking something from them and they're not opposed to it, that's not stealing.

        *Above comment based on nothing. Just suggesting that we remember to check facts before stringing someone up...
        • Agreed... As stated, if you just ask you'll likely get the provisions you need. Hell, most of the time it's offered for the sole price of casual conversation. Is that really too tough?!?! It's too hard to just talk to somebody, "hey, this is one great gathering. can I get a drink, I'm awful thirsty."

          Sadly, this is much more common that just an isolated incident.
          Forget about it, if alcohol is involved. Buy a case of beer for the night. End up only drinking a couple. Lesson learned: don't leave a cooler filled with beer unattended.
          • Lesson learned: don't leave a cooler filled with beer unattended.

            Ha ha, right! Okay whose staying to watch the coolers while we're out gallivanting!? THAT would be funny!

            I've come across all the types mentioned here, as we all probably have. The ones who stop me to tell me they were just in my camp stealing beer -not cool - well, maybe, depending- to the ones who just flat out beg. Good times. to coming back to find I have less beer than I have drank.

            It's not cool, but some people need it more than me I guess. I will never turn down a request for beer! EVER even if it's my last one! I suppose most here are the same.

            I don't think it's out of line though, to let everyone know that they can always ASK & don't need to resort to swiping beers. So... hey everybody, never fear, just ask for a beer!
  • The world is full of people who are mooches and thieves. People that think the world owes them a free beer or cigarette and who have no self respect for themselves. People who can justifiy their "need of the moment" over all other considerations. If I come to an event and fail to bring what i need to take care of myself then I don't feel like a man or i guess more aptly like a human being with self respect. I don't like the feeling of living on other peoples charirty either asked for or not. I can't even understand the mentality of people who think its ok to live off other peoples good graces or worse just by flat out theft. If I found someone stealing from me, I would be done with them. Those kind of people don't change their stripes typically. That is a one strike and your out offense. No longer welcome in my camp.

    Since Mr E didnt name anyone I guess all i can say is a general statement to whoever this is: Kick yourself out of any camps myself or The Black Company sets up. Your not welcome there anymore.
    • ***cross posted reply***

      I can see how there MAY be some misunderstandings as far as coolers or trash disposal goes. Someone MAY think that a cooler in an open party area is intended to be fair game or that a trash bag in a communal area is fair game for disposal. I would still hope that our friends would posses the decency to ask on both occasions, but i can understand if there is some confusion or ignorance surrounding the matter. The BLATENT thievery, on the other hand, is intolerable and inexcusable. peoples bags and tents being ransacked is absolutely unacceptable and, quite frankly, a great shock to me coming from this community--but its apparently happening. I heard more about theft from this party than from every other community event Ive been to in the last 4 years combined. Its truly disheartening. One of my friends had his tent ransacked and his bag was removed. the next day, his bag was leaning against a tree near his site, minus certain party favors. He was happy, despite this, due to the fact that he now had his wallet, money, and car keys--but the whole experience ruined his Friday night. Apparently, the thief decided to be "honorable" and only take expendable items and return the bag. we got a chuckle out of it but in reality its still disgusting behavior. Ill tell you one thing, I feel VERY sorry for anyone I catch rifling through my stuff--especially if I don't know you and there is no good explanation. first, I will probably be the first person at a burner event to fucksmash someones face, then Ill make sure EVERYONE knows who you are. I know some of you will cringe at this statement, but it is a reality. I have no tolerance for this type of predatory behavior and i WILL protect myself. I had virgins with me, and one of the things they felt was so amazing is the trust we all had with each other and in leaving our belongings unattended at our campsites. I was VERY disappointed to find that there was quite a bit of theft taking place.

      This all being said, I have devised some small changes in MY behavior that I found really helps. First and foremost, keep your stuff zipped up in your tents or in your car. bags and interesting items sitting strewn about a campsite may be just too tempting for a would-be thief. Second, I try to keep my coolers together in an out -of- the- way spot and NOT right in the middle of camp--especially if you have a large communal area. I tell my friends and neighbors to help themselves but also to keep an eye on stuff. Finally, after leaving WAY too many burner weekends with 4+ bags of trash, I have STOPPED putting trash receptacles in public area around my camp. This is especially true if you have a communal area. I have no problem telling people to take their trash with them or calling them out if they try to just leave it laying around. Its basically like the cup thing--self-reliance. people have no problem telling you that you need your own cup so why do they have a problem telling you to deal with your own waste? Now, I know that there will be some problems after a big shabang or after a meal serving a ton of people, but in the everyday normal swing of things this is manageable.

      I was attracted to this community because I agree with a lot of the principles it was founded upon. First and foremost, RESPECT. This is a big one for me and I found it here on levels that far surpassed that found in the default world gatherings. TRUST, see respect. RADICAL SELF RELIANCE, not unabashed entitlement. LEAVE NO TRACE, pretty self-explanatory. Im not psycho about it and i WILL use public receptacles if provided, but i am ALWAYS very careful about tending to my own trash and leaving my site cleaner than when I arrive which, incidentally, isn't too hard to do at this location. these are principles that define us as a group and separate us from most of whats out there. lets try to remember this so were not just a bunch of self-righteous, funny dressed, hypocrites.
      • "I heard more about theft from this party than from every other community event Ive been to in the last 4 years combined."

        The theft level at Burning Man beats this local stuff hands down. I figure it's for the same reason that there's so much less for us rangers to do at the regional events. I.E. - Smaller numbers means less "anonyminity." Less compulsion to be really bad or really stupid/careless.

        That said, any community that values it's openess and has anything worth taking will attract thief like flies to shit. That's just the way it is, we all being humans and suchlike.

        Sas
        • Events that are publicly announced such as Elysium and (or course) Burning Man are always subject to attracting those that "just don't get it". They see it for its superficial value, a place where hedonism and free spirits flow wildly. But most are not ready for such experiences. They haven't been conditioned to be survivalists or independents. Like the guy mentioned earlier who brought a bunch of people and let them loose thinking it was a "free-for-all" but not explaining the protocols. He may have been conditioned, but never gave his quests such the courtesy.

          "I was attracted to this community because I agree with a lot of the principles it was founded upon. First and foremost, RESPECT."

          I couldn't agree with this statement more. We just need to remember to instill these principles into our guests or make sure that they already have it in them.

          Some things that have worked for me:
          1) Keep all valuables (this includes party favors) locked in your car. Nothing like a huge mass of steel and aluminum to protect your shit in the desert. It also provides for a nice shelter from time-to-time.
          2) Limit your belongings exposure. That means close tents and don't leave crap in the wide open for all to see. If you're only into "casual" sharing, this will eliminate people from wandering by and suddenly having a urge for whatever you got.
          3) COOLER/COMMUNITY WATCH!!!! - Come on, there's always somebody in your group that is taking a time out and doesn't mind tending the home front. If you want to go off and play, just ask another in your group if they can chill for a bit. Even if that person is ready to move again, there's likely somebody who will be around to take the watch.
    • My opinion on this lies between Cogs statement and Storms statement. Cog my Friend, you are way kind, and thats why everyone who meets you, digs you. You are one of the kindest, generous people I have ever met in this community, and thats why I am so happy you and beautiful Arell grace us with your presence at Eon. Eon is very fortunate to have you guys!
      Storm...ha, well you really appeal to my "no bullshit", "hey!...get the fukk out of my cooler you thieving piece of shit and get the fukk out of my camp!!" side. I can't stand moochers, and ESPECIALLY moochers who hide behind and abuse the "burner cloak". I had a guy at last years Elysium bring a bunch of people into the Eon camp, he obviously thought there was no one in the camp and did not know that there were eyes upon him, when he stated to his friends "just take whatever you want, help yourself to whatever is here"...fukking dickhead.
      But the good peeps like Storm and Cog greatly outweigh the dickheads we have to deal with.
  • i had my bag gone through and cooler raided at elysium . cooler was almost empty by sat aftrnoon
    and for the items that where taken this is the only warning i give to those people or person if i find you or if some turns you in there is no forgiveness just going to be hurt baldly once i gett my hands on you and this is no threat its a promise
    • As I said in Mr E's blog, this is shameful. I just don't understand a person
      thinking they have a "right" to take whatever they want from someones cooler
      or anywhere else in their camp. We always try to put out something to gift
      in our camp, and usually, we bring beer to share too. But in the past we've
      had things stolen from our cooler too. That seems to be better when we
      put the cooler out of sight and/or cover it up. It's sad that we have to do that.
      But I find it really bad that people who work to make something happen are
      the ones victimized. I hope the people who do this think about their behavior
      and change it. There is only so much you can take from "friends" before you
      choose to not include that person in your circle.
  • cooler raiding, stealing is fucked up.
    but, if your shit is important to you, use "default world," safeguards.....it will look ugly in several ways, but put a padlock on your cooler.
    there are people that sneak into burning man, people that will steal your bike, or food, or other stuff. so it's unfortunate, but you might need to take measures to protect yourself.

    or....if someone is willing to steal from you, they may need it more than you do. you're out the goods stolen, but they bear the guilt and carry that with them. someday, somewhere, someone will wrong them, then they will recall the times they wronged others. that's the hope anyways.
    • if anyone knows who did the cooler raiding, why not call them out publically?
      Public humilation is a great deterrent to crime.
      Make them wear a funny shirt/costume or sharpie all over their torso they are cooler raiders at the next event - make fun of them while still giving them a chance to make it up. Just a silly idea for some pretty crazy perople on the fringe of society. Dunce caps are easy to make as well.
      Most likely they are drunks that just were looking for more beer to keep their buzz going, which isn't cool unless you admit to taking the beers to the person that brought them, ask for them first or offer to purchase them.
      I did not come prepared, I thought I did but gave some away and found myself with no beer by Saturday night. I asked friends for beers, knowing I would catch up to them next time we hung out or saw each other at an event. It is that easy and everyone is nice about it as long as you ask. Raiders and theives simply sux and should be dealt with accordingly.
      • sa
        sa
        offline 48
        Ironically, we brought way too much beer (but someone would have had to come into our rv to get to it).



        For the record~
        I must admit that many moons ago I dabbled in cooler raiding. My cousin and I were about 14 or 15, up at Leo Carrillo State Beach for a family camping trip. The folks had gone to bed and we needed some trouble to get into, so Rob (another irony) gets this bright idea. Man, it was scary and exciting, and pretty soon we had a couple under our belts and we're having the time of our lives. Before too long, the puking begins...
        30 years later, I still remember the hangover, and also the image of my cousin laid out face-down on a chaise lounge, a puddle of puke drying on the dirt below.
        Good times.
        Good times...
        • "Good times.
          Good times..."

          Lo, there I see my father,
          Lo, there I see my mother
          And my sisters and my brothers.
          Lo, there I see the line of my ancestors
          Back to the beginning,
          Lo, they do call to me
          They bid me take my place among them
          In the halls of Valhalla
          Where the brave may live forever...

          Sas : )
          • (Takes off LLC Member hat)
            (Takes off Decom Lead hat)
            (Takes off Regional Coordinator hat)
            (Takes off Ranger Hat)
            (Ponders opening a hat store)

            I was first introduced to the concept of "Cooler Rampage" by Rev. Dr. Dooby at my first Burning Man event.

            He was known for going around the campground in a drunken rage (that is actually his normal state) in the dawning hours of THE LAST DAY, looking to liberate all of the beer and booze that people would forget to bring out of their coolers over the weekend.

            It might be a Texas thing, but since it was so hot there, people usually rarely went into their coolers, in order to keep the cold inside. And we brought out a lot of kegs too. But anyway, if you left a cooler out, it was fair game for him and any crowd of followers that he might have at the time.

            It was almost like the XSL golf games except no one really tried to be there, you just sort of ended up running around with Dooby in the glow of pre- dawn giggling with glee when you found some beer, like children hunting Easter eggs.

            If you care about it, don't bring it out, or put it away before you go stumbling off into the dark.

            No matter how whacked out you get, this is still the real world.

            GO BEARS!!!
            • (All hats back on)

              The coolers are one thing, but I heard a lot of reports this year about peoples tents being ransacked and things like backpacks being removed from one persons camp and deposited in one a few camps down, minus a few of the contents.

              I think that is a much more serious issue.


              I also don't think that we need to start a "witch hunt" about it ether.

              We all need to make sure that we put away things that are important to us, and then keep an eye out for each other and on each others things.
              If you see someone you don't know going through your friends stuff, challenge them.
              You don't have to be confrontational about it, but you should at least go over and introduce yourself, so that you might get their name, and any other info about them, like where they are from, where they are camped, where do they say they know your friend from.

              You will probably either make a new friend, or you just might avert this sort of thing from happening.

              Just one more survival skill the playa will teach you.

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